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Jun 15 2012, 01:17 AM
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WHITE soul Group: Members Posts: 45 Joined: 20-June 11 Member No.: 6,493 ნიკის ჩასმა პოსტში მონიშნულის ციტატაში ჩასმა |
ვერ ვნახე ამ კაცზე თემა და თქვენის ნებართვით არსებობდეს კრიშნამურტის კუთხე ამ ფორუმზე.
უმეტეს თგვენგანს ეცოდინება და ვინც არ იცით ჯიდუ კრიშნამურტი იყო მეოცე საუკუნის ერთ-ერთი უდიდესი მოაზროვნე და მასწავლებელი. რაც აუცილებლად უნდა ითქვას მასზე არის ის რომ ვერ იტანდა გურუებს, და თვლიდა რომ ყველა ადამიანს თვითონ უნდა ეპოვნა ჭეშმარიტება. მას მიიჩნევდნენ მესიად, თოეოსოფიური საზოგადოება ფიქრობდა რომ ის იყო ჭურჭელი და მასში უნდა შესულიყო ახალი მესია და მსოფლიო მასწავლებელი. მას ადრეული ასაკიდანვე ყავდა უამრავი მიმდევარი და იყო მსოფლიო მასშტაბის ორგანიზაციის ლიდერი, რომელიც შემდეგ თავადვე დაშალა და უარყო იდეა, რომ ის იყო მომავალი მესია. და როგორც თვითონ თქვა, მთელი თავისი ცხოვრება მიუძღვნა ადამიანების განთავისუფლებას. |
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May 2 2022, 02:02 PM
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YELLOW soul Group: Members Posts: 787 Joined: 15-June 11 Member No.: 6,488 ნიკის ჩასმა პოსტში მონიშნულის ციტატაში ჩასმა |
Question: A well-known author has written a great deal about the use of certain drugs which enable man to arrive at some visionary experience of union with the divine ground. Are those experiences helpful in finding that state of which you speak? KRISHNAMURTI: You can learn tricks or take drugs or get drunk, and you will have intense experiences of one kind or another, depressing or exciting. Obviously, the physiological condition does affect the psychological state of the mind, but drugs and practices of various kinds do not in any way bring about that state of which we are talking. All such things lead only to a variety, intensity, and diversity of experience—which we all want and hunger after because we are fed up with this world. We have had two world wars, with appalling misery and everlasting strife on every side, and our own minds are so petty, personal, limited. We want to escape from all this, either through psychology, philosophy, so-called religion, or through some exercise or drug—they are all on the same level. The mind is seeking a sensation; you want to experience what you call reality or God, something immense, great, vital. You want to have visions, and if you take some kind of drug or are sufficiently conditioned in a certain religion, you will have visions. The man who is everlastingly thinking about Christ or Buddha or whatnot will sooner or later have experiences, and visions. But that is not truth; it has nothing whatever to do with reality. Those are all self-projections; they are the result of your demand for experience. Your own conditioning is projecting what you want to see. To find out what is real, the mind must cease to demand any experience. So long as you are craving experience, you will have it, but it will not be real—real in the sense of the timeless, the immeasurable; it will not have the perfume of reality. It will all be an illusion, the product of a mind that is frustrated, that is seeking a thrill, an emotion, a feeling of vitality. That is why you follow leaders. They are always promising something new, a utopia, always sacrificing the present for the future, and you foolishly follow them because it is exciting. You have had that experience in this country, and you ought to know better than anyone else the miseries, the brutality of it all. Most of us demand the same kind of experience, the same kind of sensation, only at another level. That is why we take various drugs, or perform ceremonies, or practice some exercise that acts as a stimulant. These things all have significance in the sense that their use indicates that one is still craving experience; therefore, the mind is everlastingly agitated. And the mind that is agitated, that is craving experience, can never find out what is true. Truth is always new, totally unknown, and unknowable. The mind must come to it without any demand, without any knowledge, without any wish; it must be empty, completely naked. Then only truth may happen. But you cannot invite it. J KRISHNAMURTI Discover The Immeasurable -------------------- Philosophy means the love of truth in daily life - J. Krishnamurti
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